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Another ebay oddity
« on: April 06, 2011, 02:25:40 AM »


This is an odd one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Robert-Lenkiewicz-/200593120171?pt=UK_art_prints_GL&hash=item2eb4481bab

What is the original?  I wonder what the seller means by "print" ... and when did it get signed?  We can't see the signature so we can't tell if it's the real thing.  Curious.  Robert did do some odd things but this is full-on odd.

Another point, the seller seems to think that signatures on limited edition print are not real whereas of course they are.

I don't know what anyone else thinks but ... leaving aside the copyright queries ... I'd be surprised if such an item were to fetch £3,000.  However, what do I know?  Maybe the prospect of "day to day enjoyment of your investment" [as the seller states] will convince punters to part with their money for this.


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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 09:53:31 PM »

I noticed that too. This one is also quite interesting

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Robert-Oscar-Lenkiewicz-painting-/110671624658?pt=UK_art_Paintings_GL&hash=item19c48af9d2

Obviously part of a larger canvas at some point. Does anyone know which one? it looks to have a typical Lenkiewicz frame on it but i'm guessing anyone can purchase one of those!
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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 10:22:52 PM »

The first work, the three children, comes from Robin A. Fenner, Tavistock, 27 Oct 2003, lot 1149, est £400-600. Then it appeared again at Richard Winterton, Lichfield, 7 May 2009, lot 302, est £100-120. Those estimates reflect that it is a print. The present seller has priced it as if it was an original oil. Under Q&A, the seller has given a long background story to this print.

The second work is a fragment from the large panting "The Fight", from Project 17: Observations on Local Education. This particular fragment appeared at CollectArt.com in May 2009, POA. Then offered by Peter Wilson, Nantwich, Cheshire 11 Nov 2010, lot 449, est £4000-6000. I attach an image of The Fight, where some of the other fragments are indicated. The present piece is situated just below the large fragment center left.


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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 03:11:31 PM »

Thanks for that indepth information! Greatly appreciated. Do you happen to know why some of the larger canvases were cut up like that? and by whom? the composition isn't that great on the smaller fragments.
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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 03:18:05 PM »

If only i had £75,000... or £75 for that matter.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HUGE-ROBERT-LENKIEWICZ-MODERN-ENGLISH-BRITISH-PAINTING-/330550994063?pt=UK_art_Paintings_GL&hash=item4cf65fe48f

One of my absolute favourites.
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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 11:49:55 PM »


Robert cut things up for a variety of reasons ... on occasion.  For a good example visit the Bristol show [visit it anyway!] & take a look at the 2 BIG pieces relating to death.  They were once one but he cut them. Complex reasons.

As to the £75,000 piece. Did you read the description on ebay of the model?  I think my neighbor might laugh out loud to see herself described as a "mulatto".  By the way, isn't that a rather non pc term?  Anyway ... the piece has been discussed on this site previously but our estimable host [member 555] who provided the detailed info. above can fill you in with more detail on it. Suffice it to say that I think the price being asked has more than doubled since the last time it appeared [maybe a year ago?] AND unless it has been restored it did need a bit of restoration. Lovely painting.

Is it my imagination or are prices easing upwards? 




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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2011, 12:26:24 AM »

Yes, isn't it a great painting! But some people disagree. Some have questioned its authenticity, or claimed that it is partly re-painted. All I can see are damages from the folding when the painting was stored for a long time. It's a strange painting, with several conflicting perspectives and lots of items thrown in seemingly with no purpose. All of which make for an interesting painting!

The piece was painted by Robert in the early '80's. Eliza has told me of the cold hours of sitting (or rather lying) for it. The pose looks extremely uncomfortable! After it was completed, she remembers: "Me and Robert took it to London, Shepherds Bush, to the buyer who had it in the attic in the house. It was the bedroom, not very big, and the painting dominated the room. We took it up rolled, and Robert built a stretcher on spot, it took all day, I was assisting with nails and hammer."

For interested detectives I attach a photo of the very calendar seen on the wall in the painting.

After that, the painting was not heard of for a long time. Then, in 2008, it was offered at Christies, Greater London, 17 Dec 2008, lot 60, est £30,000-50,000. However, it's authenticity was questioned and it didn't sell. It was then offered on eBay all through 2009, at prices ranging from $60,000 down to $19,995. No one wanted it (at that price). The seller has not been heard from until it now reappeared, with the new, and remarkable, price tag £75,000.

The seller (or perhaps the agent selling for him) appears to be unaware of what is in front of his eyes. Poor Eliza (Annie's neighbour, as she points pout in her post), is described as a "naked mulato girl", which I'd guess she finds more amusing than offending. I suppose the reason for the interpretation is that the seller is in USA (Washington state).

A plea: whoever buys it, please don't roll it up in a tube (the seller's suggestion). That would be a shame.


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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2011, 05:57:51 PM »

Don't fear already booked my train tickets to bristol! i'll be visiting the exhibition on the day of the royal wedding.. the perfect excuse to get out of london! it also happens to be the day before my 30th birthday, i can honestly think of no better way to spend it than looking at Roberts work.

Once again many thanks for the information on the painting, i hope people appreciate how lucky we are to have this level of knowledge shared and available to us. I was lucky enough to interview Robert when i was studying for my A levels and only wish i could have asked better questions!
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 05:37:52 AM »


www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROBERT-O-LENKIEWICZ-OIL-PAINTING-TANIA-/280835381367?pt=UK_art_Paintings_GL&hash=item416317d877

another one for the the Rogue's Gallery, methinks...

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Re: Another ebay oddity
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 10:43:51 PM »



www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R-O-LENKIEWICZ-Original-SEMI-EROTIC-NUDE-Pencil-Drawing-/110871959708?pt=UK_art_drawings_GL&hash=item19d07bd89c


Oh no!!!



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